Fellow Comedy Poetry tribe members,
Guess my post and questions about what is funny and what is not funny, in my opinion at least, have been deleted from another tribers 'slice and dice the bosses poetry series' thread. Weird. I mean, I thought I was touchy for bring the subject up...but I guess I'm not the only one who has a hard time understanding the difference between trying to get to the subject of what is and is not subjective humor and poetry and what is not.
I currently do not see how deleting my commentary with regard to discussion what is and is not funny goes to forwarding the goals of the forum. If one believes something is funny, why not discuss it in an open forum rather than just PMing me and deleting my comments? Further, while the 'humor' depicted there may be humor, perhaps it also does not further discussion of what is and what is not humorous poetry to delete an attempt at reconciling the intellectual impulse behind a post and its affect on the forum with regard to comedy and humor...not that this forum is about that per se...but I do ask the question as to whether or not it is an appropriate topic to discuss in this tribe among the membership...given that I was PMed out of the blue by someone who was purported to be offended by my suggestion that their poetry might more properly belong in Dark Poetry or perhaps in Bad Poetry tribes.
I say this because in badpoets.tribe.net/ tribe we at least discuss why a poem is bad and how it might be worse, etc. Heck, we even criticize folks there if their poetry is too good! So, really, I guess I'm interested in finding out whether or not we are permitted to discuss whether or not a poem does or does not strike us as particularly funny and perhaps learn something about humor and poetry through such a discussion. If this forum is not for that, well, I guess it won't bother me much...although it will confuse me as to what precisely this forum is for other than a parallel blog for posting uncategorized prose. All this is not to say that bad poetry is not necessarily not funny.
This is not a slam on anyone. I am simply seeking to clarify why something might be funny and what context in which it would or would not be funny.
Best regards,
Timbo
PS Thank you for you time in considering the question. At the very least, we should all realize--which I do, BTW--that humor is subjective, sometimes extremely so...and that hyperbole is certainly also a time honored component in affective humor, etc.
Guess my post and questions about what is funny and what is not funny, in my opinion at least, have been deleted from another tribers 'slice and dice the bosses poetry series' thread. Weird. I mean, I thought I was touchy for bring the subject up...but I guess I'm not the only one who has a hard time understanding the difference between trying to get to the subject of what is and is not subjective humor and poetry and what is not.
I currently do not see how deleting my commentary with regard to discussion what is and is not funny goes to forwarding the goals of the forum. If one believes something is funny, why not discuss it in an open forum rather than just PMing me and deleting my comments? Further, while the 'humor' depicted there may be humor, perhaps it also does not further discussion of what is and what is not humorous poetry to delete an attempt at reconciling the intellectual impulse behind a post and its affect on the forum with regard to comedy and humor...not that this forum is about that per se...but I do ask the question as to whether or not it is an appropriate topic to discuss in this tribe among the membership...given that I was PMed out of the blue by someone who was purported to be offended by my suggestion that their poetry might more properly belong in Dark Poetry or perhaps in Bad Poetry tribes.
I say this because in badpoets.tribe.net/ tribe we at least discuss why a poem is bad and how it might be worse, etc. Heck, we even criticize folks there if their poetry is too good! So, really, I guess I'm interested in finding out whether or not we are permitted to discuss whether or not a poem does or does not strike us as particularly funny and perhaps learn something about humor and poetry through such a discussion. If this forum is not for that, well, I guess it won't bother me much...although it will confuse me as to what precisely this forum is for other than a parallel blog for posting uncategorized prose. All this is not to say that bad poetry is not necessarily not funny.
This is not a slam on anyone. I am simply seeking to clarify why something might be funny and what context in which it would or would not be funny.
Best regards,
Timbo
PS Thank you for you time in considering the question. At the very least, we should all realize--which I do, BTW--that humor is subjective, sometimes extremely so...and that hyperbole is certainly also a time honored component in affective humor, etc.
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Re: Hmm
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 3:51 PMthis guy is just a troll, he has harassed other people before...
I've reported him to the Tribe Net staff
and asked for the techs to investigate him for using sock puppets and other trolling tactics to harass people.
I've given the Tribe Net staff my real world contact information and am fully open to them having access to all my online activities to prove that I am what I say I am.
I am perfectly willing to pull any jokes which others deem offensive (as long as all other jokes in that same genre are also pulled).
sock puppets (using multiple internet identities to harass people):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inte...ock_puppet
some more info:
Internet Trolls:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trol...nternet%29
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flame baiting:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flamebait
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Trolling Tactics Used on MySpace:
news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/...orld/147730
Jeremy Kirk, IDG News Service Mon Jun 30, 10:00 AM ET
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Re: Hmm
Tue, July 15, 2008 - 10:40 PMWell, 'Jon', as long as you aren't funny...I'd say you were being consistent. It is very interesting how you send me an accusatory PM and then ask me not to contact you and then show up in my thread commenting away as if that was cool.
As for the other forum members...if there are any who care...which there may not be...I do hope you won't let this obviously distraught personality get you down. In fact, please write some comedy poetry.
Moderator, if you are still around, please either comment somewhere here or send me a PM so that the membership here knows that you are still participating in this forum.
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Re: Hmm
Wed, July 16, 2008 - 12:45 AMthe "accusatory" PM merely said that I view you as a troll and not to contact me anymore.
I believe it was about 10 - 15 words long.
Any more misleading statements you want to make?
Calling me a "distraught" personality may be just this side of legal libel....perhaps you want to push it further and see if I won't subpoena your IP address? -
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Wed, July 16, 2008 - 3:02 AM>the "accusatory" PM merely said that I view you as a troll and not to contact me anymore.
>I believe it was about 10 - 15 words long.
And this is why you then came to my thread...so you can keep telling me not to contact you? Weird stuff...
>Calling me a "distraught" personality may be just this side of legal libel....perhaps you want to push it further and see if I >won't subpoena your IP address?
I do regret referring to myself as a distraught personality as you now seem to have fixated on that commentary as being about you...as I said in my response to your PM to me earlier today, I was and am distraught by some Congressional Hearings held today with regard to torture and abuse by the U.S. Government and that affected my perception of humor this afternoon. Too bad that some folks get so wound up in hyperbole and trying to be funny that they can't see an honest expression of legitimate feelings; I really am distraught over the lack of responsibility our government here in the U.S. has taken with regard to upholding basic standards of human decency. And I was made more distraught by your odd PM to me...as I do not create "sock puppets" and "alts" to harass folks...although I have been put through the ringer by folks that do do that sort of thing upon occasion. -
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Re: Hmm
Thu, July 17, 2008 - 2:55 AMjust give it a rest, man...
do you really think anyone here believes your nonsense?
You called me distraught..not yourself..
I did not stalk you to this thread..
I am a published poet and a known performer on the NJ-NYC poetry scene...I've performed at Maxwell's in Hoboken, the Knitting Factory in NYC and plenty of other places.
I've been doing comedy poetry since 1992 or 1993...
And I used to do some stand-up as well..
I am here to share some humor...
you are here, because apparently, you have some need to annoy other people.
if you are going through something, I do feel for you. Please, talk to someone. I have a Vietnam Vet buddy with PTSD...he goes off and gets angry. If that kind of thing is going on with you...please talk with someone. I don't blame you....just take it in a different direction. Annoying other people will never solve your problems.
peace, ok?
go take care of yourself man....have some peace...
and then come back on here and share some good humor with us.
ok?
take er easy...
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Re: Hmm
Thu, July 17, 2008 - 3:20 AMOh, and by the way, as far as your criticism of my comedy being too violent, too raw...
I actually agree with you.
Personally, I like comedy which can refrain from it.
What you often find, in creative writing, is that the "very visceral" is much easier to access creatively.
Which is to say, it is much easier to write about big, loud, violent, sexual things, than it is to write about subtler things.
So, I fully agree with you. And I greatly admire comedians like Jerry Seinfeld and Bill Cosby who both consciously chose to stay away from those things.
But, frankly, they are both a lot more talented than me!!! I fully admit that.
I am a local performer guy. I've gotten paid for a few gigs, but not much. If I were more talented, I could more easily write comedy that is not so rough.
And I have no problem respecting folks who don't want to deal with that kind of humor. When I have found myself in greater moments of gentleness and sensitivity...I also don't like rough humor! So, really, fundamentally, I basically agree with you.
I think the rougher humor, the more violent humor, etc. does serve a cathartic purpose in some specific situations and with some specific people....so I do think it can have purpose. Not always, but sometimes.
again...wishing you peace...
take care,
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Re: Hmm
Wed, August 6, 2008 - 10:28 PMHey guys. Jason here, "moderator" of the comedy poetry tribe.
Wow - whole lotta drama in this thread.
Jon, your poetry about your dead boss was twisted, but who the hell cares. Was it funny? Not really, but what am I - the funny police?
Timbo, seriously dude, take a deep breath and remember, this is all just a bunch of stupid on-line shit. It's not worth the energy your putting into it.
Jon, besides poetry, have you ever thought of getting a voodoo doll for your boss? Just kidding. No but dude - that was some dark stuff you wrote. Let's try to keep it light, mkay?
Peace, Love, and Oreo Cookies to all.
Jason
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Re: Hmm
Thu, August 7, 2008 - 7:43 AMI've deleted the poems that you found dark.
I've performed these things all around NJ and for years...gotten plenty of applause and not one single criticism, ever....
I don't think you would have called them "dark" had not that guy spewed his nonsense about me.
Once someone jumps in with harsh criticism, it jades the lens with which we view it...and what was just dumb innocent comedy becomes something else.
And that is the nature of false accusations....they create false impressions and problems. It is like accusing someone of being a child molester...no matter what...in the back of your mind, you always wonder.
I used to run a local Amnesty International group and was a staff member of a peace group. Hardly the description of someone with violent tendencies.
So, in its entirety, the criticism is nonsense.
I had some comedy accepted into a nationally known comedy magazine and my performances were like by some well known people, including Paul Colby (the guy who owned the Bitter End down in Greenwich Village, in NYC). I've performed at Maxwell's in Hoboken and The Knitting Factory in NYC...all of which I can prove...in the real world...outside of cyber space. And this guy's credentials? And his real world identity?
So, what this is, is just what I said it is...a nuisance from a guy who likes to create trouble. He has followed me all around Tribe Net and on other websites as well, trying to create these kinds of fights. I believe it is because he posted some lies about someone on the internet and I defended the person he was attacking.
He is the problem, not me.
Does that mean that some of my comedy content is not a little dark? No. Yeah, it is a little dark and a little extreme. It actually is really written to be performed...all about the voice I use with it. But no one would have given this a second thought, had not this guy come on here and try to make me look like a monster.
I won't post anything comedy of that kind again on here.
But I don't like it when people try and destroy other people's reputations.
By the way, that is the legal definition of libel...a conscious intent to malign another person's character.
And if I cared enough, I could absolutely get my lawyer involved, subpoena this guy's real world contact information and pursue legal action against him. Not for this interaction...for the entirety of all the interactions I have had with this guy online.
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Re: Hmm
Wed, August 13, 2008 - 11:45 AMModerator,
Thanks for chiming in.
Here is a bad poem that isn't all that funny...which is why I'm referencing it from another tribe poetry forum that is more appropriate to the subject matter at hand. If you're not interested, don't click on it:
badpoets.tribe.net/thread/e...32d623bd0
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